courage, courageous or more of the same ol’ lies…

“Courage is not simply one of the virtues but the form of every virtue at the testing point,
which means at the point of highest reality. ”

C.S. Lewis

(image from the movie of Hacksaw Ridge)

Okay, so lately we’ve been reading, hearing and seeing a lot being made mention
concerning the notion of courage.

You know what I think of when I hear or see the word courage?

Hacksaw Ridge.

If you have not seen the movie Hacksaw Ridge…well you need to watch it in order
to understand the notion of courage.

It’s the courage of being both verbally and physically abused…not by some twisted
martyristic desire but rather as a result of one’s convictions.
To be beaten to a pulp because you’ve opted to stand up for your Christian faith of
pacifism because you feel deeply called to do your part against the onslaught and scourge
of fascism during a world war.

A subjugation of abuse simply because of your belief and faith.
Ridiculed and maligned because you know deep down, God has called you to serve and you
believe that serving means to do so without a gun.

And as a faithful servant, you know you must answer God’s call…
it is simply what you must endure.

And yet there are a myriad of examples of courage…
it’s just that that one example first came to mind.

Of course, you can walk down any children’s hospital across this Nation and you will
readily see courage on a day to day basis on each and every face of each and every child
in each one of those hospitals…
but that is a different tale for a different day.

However, the courage we keep hearing about these days is a different type of courage.
It is a man-made notion of courage that has been molded to fit neatly into a post-Chrisitan era.

Courage as in it is courageous to come out of “one’s closet”
Courage as in it is courageous to admit to being gay.
Courage as in it is courageous to be born, say, a man, and decide to be a woman…
or visa-versa…only to decide differently agian…and on and on…
Courage as in it is courageous to stand up for beliefs that are for all things progressive
as in contrary to anything conservative or even orthodox…

Yet it seems that this modern-day courageous business hits a speed bump when
one thinks that being courageous simply means to speak out and against middle American
conservative values…

Values such as the concept of a traditional family, sexual morality,
life versus abortion, to possess a strong work ethic versus a governmental handout,
opposition to illegal immigration, patriotism etc…

Today’s society believes it is courage to scorn traditional beliefs.

That is not courage…that is egotistical arrogance pretending to be courageous.

And so when reading our friend the Wee Flea’s latest post,
I am reminded of the importance of courage.

Well actually…it’s from reading his last two posts…
as one is a book review and the other is a piggyback from both the book and
its review as well as a rebuttal to the author.

His is a post that was written to refute the latest adulations over a former Chrisitan singer
(Vicky Breeching / Undivided)
who has let herself out of the proverbial closet and who has written a book describing her
now liberating ordeal as brave because she has been a lifelong victim of
conservative Christianity…

So that’s it now???

As a sinner, one is now simply a victim??

A victim of sin…but what of repentance?
Sin, it seems is now without a cross, without a Savior and without saving Grace…

Well, that certainly lets us all off the hook now doesn’t it…

This woman is currently making the US and UK book tour circuit and has been met with a
resounding level of applause from the liberal press, the Archbishop of Canterbury,
and those of the LGBT sector.

David reminds those of us who remain opposed to any sort of notion of a Biblical
condoning of a homosexual relationship as being perfectly fine that we are not,
in the eyes of God, wrong…
no matter how much our progressive society tries to paint us as wrongheaded
and backward in our thinking.

This new trend that seems to be known as “Gay Christianity” is actually a most
dangerous trend that is working fast and furious to drive a wedge straight into the heart
of the Chruch.

And so David, in his recent post, list points for Christians to hold to and to be
accountable to in this latest fight…
with one such point being that of courage and courageousness.
And it is with courage that we stand united against the growing assault by a
progressive post-Christan culture.

8) We must not be cowards – we respond with courage.

One person wrote and told me that after they posted a ‘like’ to my review on
‘Undivided’, they were reported to a British Government institution for being homophobic!
This is the kind of intimidation that causes many to be silent.
Vicky talks about British evangelical churches putting their heads in the sand and being silent.
She is right. We need to speak out against the intimidation and the lies…
even, or especially, when it comes from those who are pleasant and plausible.
Are you prepared to speak out with grace and truth?
And we need the courage to rebuke those who would take the same view as us but are abusive
and full of hatred.

David concludes his post with a lesson…

One final lesson I have gleaned from Vicky’s book and interviews.
In her woundedness and hurt, she has become a very intolerant and demanding person.
She won’t attend churches that hold non-affirming theology, like HTB.
She demands that churches she goes to should never have someone in the pulpit who says
that marriage should be between a man and a woman –
because otherwise she might be triggered.
(I note in passing that there is not a great deal of humility or tolerance in her approach…’
do what I want or I will condemn you’ is the mantra.
She has also ‘unfollowed’ me on Twitter…which kind of gives the lie to
‘lets have respectful discussion’ –
I find that most liberals are like that –
we have to agree with them, or we are beyond the pale).
She wants the warmth and friendliness of the evangelical church –
just without the evangel.
My fear is that there are far too many of us evangelicals who are dangerously
close to a similar position – in private if not in public.

Liberal evangelicals want a God without judgement, a Cross without atonement,
a Bible without hard things and a church without the Jesus of the Bible.

Those of us who believe in that Jesus must hold fast and not be intimidated or deceived
into giving up on him.
I leave you with these apposite words from that Jesus to the church in Thyatira –
Words that today would see him accused of ‘hate speech’ and condemned by the liberal
evangelicals of being ‘unChristlike’!

“To the angel of the church in Thyatira write:
These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet
are like burnished bronze.
I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance,
and that you are now doing more than you did at first.

Nevertheless, I have this against you:
You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet.
By her teaching, she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of
food sacrificed to idols.
I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling.
So I will cast her on a bed of suffering,
and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely,
unless they repent of her ways.
I will strike her children dead.
Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds,
and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.”

An Open Letter to the Evangelical Church about Vicky Beeching and ‘Gay Christianity’

43 comments on “courage, courageous or more of the same ol’ lies…

  1. Tricia says:

    Good post Julie. Courage is one of those essential virtues that make everything else work. Unfortunately too many today define it as being rude, crude and overly obnoxious to the point of inciting mob violence over political differences.

  2. Reblogged this on Talmidimblogging and commented:
    Excellent post!!

  3. oneta hayes says:

    There is nothing courageous about “coming out of the closet” these days. You will be treated as a hero/heroine. How courageous! She had her boobs cut off, etc, etc. Stupid fools and their followers. Courage is going against the flow, not jumping into the present “trendy” current.

  4. You are an amazing “thinker” and writer, dear Julie! It is such an honor to know you! ❤ and hugs!

  5. Arkenaten says:

    Today’s society believes it is courage to scorn traditional beliefs.

    Hanging was once considered traditional.
    So too slavery.
    It was once traditional that women were paid far less than men irrespective of the work they did.

    In Islamic society it is traditional that woman are generally regarded as almost second class citizens.

    I am sure one would be expected to scorn these traditional beliefs yes?

    • Wally Fry says:

      Ark. Your rebuttal post is pathetic. Your title is a bald faced lie and does not represent what was written here


      Perhaps testosterone shots would compensate for your testicular deficiency?

      • Jonathan says:

        Wow ark touched a nerve

        You didn’t have to result to ad hominem attacks

      • Wally Fry says:

        Hi Jonathan. Thanks for your thoughts, and on the surface you actually make a great point. You are also correct, I did not have to do that. I did, however, make a deliberate choice to do so. Ark does not comment on this issue because he personally has some love for those referenced in this post; he comments because he is a flailing God hater. His point here, and his reason for being here, is not to engage in true back and forth adult conversation; his goal is to make Christians shut up.

      • Arkenaten says:

        Oh, go soak your head. Wally. You are just a very silly, ignorant little man.

      • Wally Fry says:

        That is an astoundingly compelling intellectual argument you have made there.

        I renounce my belief and will henceforth remain silent concerning it.

        Ba ha ha ha ha!


      • Arkenaten says:

        You’ve never been a genuine Christian in the first place, so I doubt anyone would care a damn what you renounced.

      • Wally Fry says:

        Thanks you for your spiritual guidance, All hail Stone Head! If not for you and the other preachers, I would be lost!

      • Arkenaten says:

        You are lost Wally, and as a divorcee, you are lost in sin.
        But you know this already, don’t you?

      • Wally Fry says:

        “You are lost Wally, and as a divorcee, you are lost in sin.
        But you know this already, don’t you?”


        Ooohh, Ark has pulled the divorce gun now. Yes divorce is, in fact, a sin. I have never sugarcoated that fact. But, your complete lack of understanding of Biblical Doctrine shows you for the theological moron that you are. No, I am not lost in sin. I am forgiven by the atoning work of my Lord Jesus Christ, as you could be also.

        Oh…almost forgot. Um….you have said numerous times you don’t believe in sin, yet you condemn me FOR sin? That wins the stupid comment of the century award. I have to add moron to my liar, bully and coward list now.

      • Arkenaten says:

        I know a lot about biblical doctrine, thanks very much.
        I don’t condemn you for sin! How stupid would that be?
        I am merely using the language that you will understand.
        I also wonder why you are forever trying to pull the splinter out of every non believer’s eye when you have a bloody great log jam in yours’?

      • Wally Fry says:

        Yep, and that’s not the only log I have in my eye. So what? Only a moronic militant atheist would claim that any Christian who sins has to shut up.

        But, anyway, enough of your pathetic attempts to derail this post.

        Oh…almost forgot. No…you know ZIP about Biblical Doctrine. Sheesh

      • Arkenaten says:

        Lol ..

        Yep, and that’s not the only log I have in my eye.

        I don’t doubt that for one second!

        Derail? Not in the least. Merely pointing out the bigotry and hypocrisy.
        All you have done is chuck out a load of ad homs at me.

      • Again Ark…you’ve told me your mom has been a life long Anglican—do you go about attacking her and her faith as you do here?

      • Arkenaten says:

        Again – she has boundless tolerance for all people and never preaches or proselytizes. Ever.

      • Does she know how you attack others regarding their faith?

      • Arkenaten says:

        I have no idea, Julie?
        She is fully aware I am an atheist.
        Although I don’t think she reads my blog.
        Would you like her email address and you can write to her personally?
        Though it is only right that I caution you up front that she will probably find your intolerant position towards homosexuals somewhat not in the spirit of her view of Christianity and following Jesus.

        As you included Muslims in your post, tell me, do you consider that those Islamic/Muslim countries that enforce the death penalty for homosexuality are justified in this?

      • Ark, I simply recognized that the three major world religions each view homosexuality as being against God’s word.
        It was not my intent to write a post about Islam and their persecution of gays, Christians or Jews or any one for that matter who is in oppostion to Islam. That is a post for another day.
        And so that is beside the point.
        Do I agree with persecutions and killings?
        Do I agree with homosexuality as being something God condones?
        According to God’s word, it is a sinful and immoral lifestyle.
        So do I think sinners should be persecuted and killed?
        I believe in the saving Grace found in Jesus Christ.
        We are all sinners and we all fall short…
        and we are all indeed of healing and savlvation.
        I’m sure your mom as a Christian worries about you being an atheist…but that is between the two of ya’ll.
        So lets not twist what I meant around shall we?

      • Arkenaten says:

        So lets not twist what I meant around shall we?

        I am not the ione twisrting anything Julie.
        Yoiu inclkuded Muslims among thoise who you sincerely beleive should be allowed to express their views regarding homosexuals and homosexuality.

        The question then inevitably arises:
        To what extent should one be allowed to
        express one’s religious convictions and how far can one take them.
        Certain Islamic states consider executing (murdering) gays is perfectly justified as per their religious convictions and you have stated that they should be allowed to express their convictions.

        But of course I doubt you really thought this through did you, Julie?

        Therefore if murdering gays in the name of your god … or their god is not okay why is openly condemning them in the name of your god justifiable?

      • As Tom mentioned, allah is not God .
        And yes you did twist.
        I bet you were great at Twister as a kid.
        (a game we use to play growing up in the 60’s.)
        And no body said anything about killing gay people but you.
        This post is about homosexuality
        being a sin…not about murder.

      • Arkenaten says:

        You included Muslims and Jews among those who should be allowed to defend their religious convictions against homosexuals in your post for goodness sake!
        The death penalty for homosexuality is prescribed in at least ten countries around the world.
        Certain Muslim countries have taken this right to express their religious convictions to the fullest interpretation of their religious text
        Even your own bible states: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Ex. 22:18.

        But we don’t burn witches anymore , now do we?

        Why not? Because we know it is ludicrous and immoral. But these are your god’s words! He commanded it!

        So at what point do you draw the line, Julie?

        Killing gays is bad, but blatant bigotry is okay is it?
        Why do you really care about the sexual habits of another consenting adult?

      • Is that how I said it Ark?
        Is that what I meant Ark?
        Don’t come visiting Ark if you can’t be kind
        or gracious in your discourse.

      • Arkenaten says:

        This is exactly what you wrote, lifted directly from the post.

        You are a Christian, or a Jew, or a Muslim for that matter, who believes that because
        of your religious convictions,
        you believe homosexuality goes against the word of God and is perceived
        as a sin…. and so now you are labeled homophobic and are guilty of a hate crime.

        And note: You made no distinction between gods, including all of the above: Jews, Christians and Muslim among those fall under the same umbrella of the same god – Yeshua/God.

        If you were genuinely interested in kindness you would accept that gay people are simply people; stop judging them based on their sexuality and end this bigotry.

        Other Christians have come to this realization, so why can’t you?

  6. Wally Fry says:

    Look! I saw a conehead! I did! I did!

    Good post my friend.

  7. Wally Fry says:

    Ark the gutless wonder is POed because you ignored him and had created a post with you as the star

  8. Jonathan says:

    Maybe you should leave the passing of judgement tthe god you worship and take lessons from the gospel on the need to treat everyone with love and kindness and not be so judgemental as I have seen this post

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