irrational ideology vs logos

“Meanwhile I will continue to use your platform to undermine your hateful
and irrational ideology.
And I will do it by using logic and love – the love of the Logos.
We don’t need Twitter (or Facebook, or government or the media) to be able to speak of Christ.
And you will never silence us.
Though you kill us the very rocks would cry out!

David Roberston

(detail of Christ from Michaelangelo’s Final Judgement / The Sistine Chapel)


According to, the Greek word Logos is a rhetorical device that includes
any content in an argument that is meant to appeal to logic.

In other words, Logos equates to a logical discourse when opposing sides engage in conversation
regarding the difference of opinions.

The explanation goes on…
Logos is one of the three Aristotelian appeals.
A writer utilizes the three appeals in order to convince his audience of his argument.
The other two appeals are ethos (ethics) and pathos (emotion).

Appeals to logos are those that involve or influence the logical reasons an audience
should believe an argument.

Logos often shows up in an argument in the form of facts and statistics.
However, any logical statement could be an appeal to logos.

According to Wikipedia…

Ancient Greek philosophers used the term in different ways.
The sophists used the term to mean discourse;
Aristotle applied the term to refer to “reasoned discourse “or “the argument”
in the field of rhetoric,
and considered it one of the three modes of persuasion alongside ethos and pathos.
Stoic philosophers identified the term with the divine animating principle pervading
the Universe. Within Hellenistic Judaism, Philo of Alexandria (c. 20 BC – c. 50 AD)
adopted the term into Jewish philosophy.
The Gospel of John identifies the Logos,
through which all things are made, as divine (theos),
and further identifies Jesus Christ as the incarnate Logos.
The term is also used in Sufism, and the analytical psychology of Carl Jung.

There was a time in the educating of children when the classics were the common line
of curriculum.

According to ARISTOI Classical Academy, a classical education consisted of the following:

Truth –
Classical education values knowledge for its own sake,
which is to say that the body of knowledge under study itself helps students to
discern that which is true and good and beautiful,
rather than having an external definition of these things imposed upon it.

Guidance for Modern Life –
Classical education holds that the study of the liberal arts should yield the
perspectives that ought to inform and provide direction to the sciences and to
social constructs, not vice versa.

Western Civilization –
Recognizing that “American Civilization” is the product of the
millennia-long project known as Western Civilization,
classical education teaches the standards of moral virtue and character that
created Western culture, and which allow students to assess and understand other cultures.

Civic-Minded –
Classical education upholds the value of responsible contribution
toward family, community, and governments.
Students are able to connect the civic life and political experiences of historical
societies to present-day cultures.

Eloquence –
Classical education teaches standards of excellence in communication
that are embodied in the great literary works of the Western canon.
For generations, these works have exemplified greatness in that they present important
events and persons, and interpret these events and persons through abiding values and concepts
in language marked by precision, beauty, and power.

Unity of Knowledge –
Classical education trains students to recognize the relationships between the various fields
of inquiry and knowledge (such as history, science, and literature)
and to organize these varied fields into an integrated,
logical and systematic framework.

And as a former Art teacher, it should be noted that the Arts…be that music,
the visual arts, drama, as well as classical languages such as Latin and Greek
which were also included in a well rounded “classical” education.

Then at some point during the educational course of children, something happened…
we dumbed down the curriculum while we convinced ourselves it was greater, broader
and grander.

Yet in this fallacy, which we sold ourselves, over the expansion and re-do of education,
we actually dumbed down our curriculum which in turn lessened the learning and in turn
shortchanged our kids.

And in so doing we now have a culture that has no idea how to converse regarding their
thoughts or ideas…nor do they even have the whereto all to have original thoughts let
alone the knowledge of how to defend them with logic versus their go to brute force of
bullying and intimidation.

I say all of this after having read the latest offering by our friend the Wee Flea,
the Scottish pastor David Robertson and of his being recently banned by Twitter.

My other favorite across the pond, tell it like it is cleric, the former Church of England
Bishop Gavin Ashenden has also been banned from Twitter…
each for their Christian hate-speak.
Did you read that…Chrisitan hate speak…
If ever there was an oxymoron that is it…Christian + Hate + Speak…

Oh those Christians…they’ll get you every time.

As I am not one to tweet nor foray out into social media other than this little blog,
I say be glad and don’t look back…
brush the dust from your feet as you press forward fighting the good fight.

As David reminds us in his open letter to Twitter…
he will go forward…forward in both love and logic—and the love of Logos…

Dear Twitter – Why Have You Banned Me?

16 comments on “irrational ideology vs logos

  1. Oh, for a return to a classical education (without Latin, however, as I see no need to study a dead language). I haven’t been banned yet by Twitter, but I do post a verse image every day. That’s the only reason I keep the account. That and to read the Presidents tweets.

  2. Tricia says:

    It’s a tragedy really what ‘s happened with education and the deliberate sloughing off of classic western values. It’s so absurd that the few schools around that promote such things frequently get accused of being racist, promoting colonialism, etc….

    I did not know about those recent Twitter bans but am not at all surprised. It’s become such nasty community of scolding totalitarians I say good riddance as well.

    • it’s that “promoting colonialism” that kills me…I mean really!!!???
      Another attempt to whitewash our past by condeming everything …oh, and I bet the word “whitewash” shall be banned…
      I always think of Mark Twain when I think whitewash…as in Tom was to be whitewashing the fence since he and Huck took off to be play instead of chores…and then he tricks others into finishing the whitewashing for him…but did you know Mark Twain is teetering on the fence of that which is racist and thus should be banned.
      Why don’t we just ban everything and save this slow stupid death of ours….

      • Tricia says:

        I really didn’t want to like your comment Julie because I hate how true it is! Yup, Mark Twain has been on the censor’s chopping block for some time now and I’m sure uttering the word whitewash means jail time in some areas. So sad.

      • I say that “like” doesn’t alwasy mean “like” but rather support…
        Classics no more Tricia… but rather pariah..
        but I say rubbish and will hold my ground as long as possible.

  3. oneta hayes says:

    Julie, to what “platform” is he referring in “Meanwhile I will continue to use your platform to undermine your hateful and irrational ideology?” You have presented an outline of classical education in such a thorough yet concise manner, it seems even the present generation of intellectuals would be able to understand it. 😀 It would be nice to build a system of graduate studies on this kind of solid foundation; I might suggest it would be nice to see it followed through at college levels allowing for some diversity in specialized fields. I would suggest medicine, engineering, architecture, agriculture, fine arts, might be given honor above some of our “social studies.”

    • I’m figuring he’s going to get his acct back if he already hasn’t— since I don’t tweet—I don’t know—I just get so annoyed when I see Christians being accused of hate mongering when they are only sharing what we are told in the 10 commandments and or the Gospels— and it all boils down to abortion and gay unions

  4. Salvageable says:

    I am 100% in favor of classical education–even dead languages, since I didn’t understand English grammar until I learned New Testament Greek. Exposure to the classics trains minds to think, to reason, and to communicate–skills that are sadly lacking in many people today, as revealed by their attempts to silence anyone with whom they disagree. J.

    • Agreed!!! I never took Latin and regret it but I probably would have not fared well as I had a hard enough time with our own English and grammar— but because so many of our root words come from Latin I would love to take it now as an adult— maybe I could pass by now 🙂 Greek as well!

  5. Citizen Tom says:

    Reblogged this on Citizen Tom and commented:
    Because it explains the structure of and need for a classical education, I thought this well worth sharing.

    Here is a link to the article Julie mentions =>

    • thank you Tom—as a former educator but a student who came through public education during the 60’s and 70’s there was a shift that had taken place—shifts in math, language, grammar…and how students should in turn learn.
      These were the heady days of Vietnam coupled by the summer of Love along with a sexual revolution etc…there was a softening and a tempering of the youth…bean bag chairs for student lounges, of all things in our highschool, the teacher wearing jeans as they were encouraged to fit and be like minded as their charges…courtyards available for students who smoked…not to mention the new teaching methodologies that were to be adopted by teachers in the various academic disciplines…this was to some extent, a more visible marked decline in our public educational system than we had actually noticed prior…making things more “lax and freindly” as we now have “safe” place and trigger warnings for a new generation of learners while we busy ourselves rewriting our history lest we offend the tender….

      I wish we had a classical / formal educational curriculum…teaching our kids to actually think without first reacting.
      There is no longer the logical rational offerings—the “ok, so you don’t agree, tell me why percisely it is you disagree and have you considered such and such….”

      No discourse but only recourse.

      They react with knee jerkds as they do not know how to express what it is they believe nor do they really know what it is they believe as they have been spoon fed dribble by liars and conartists—dribble that has dulled the senses and left generations now seemingly lost, albeit for their anger…

      • Citizen Tom says:


        The decline on educational standards actually started when the government started to take over education. That goes back to the 1830’s and Horace Mann, a history you no doubt know about.

        When government takes over something and spends our money for us, two problems arise.
        1. We lose control of what we are buying. We only retain indirect control, and special interests often override the preferences of the actual consumer.
        2. Monopoly replaces the potential for competition. With only one provider, that can make it difficult perceive the quality of the service that could be provided if competition existed.

        So it is that most parents don’t realize how bad an education their children are receiving, and those that suspect a problem don’t think they can do anything about it.

    • Tom, every time I read something about or hear something about our educational system, I think of you—as you have been a true outspokne proponent regarding such.
      I read something today about 41 and the “teachable” moment he provided for a young man just starting out from college with the CIA and of the endelable mark it left on this particular man…I’m using that as a base for a post tomorrow but it was a post that I wrote when I first jumped into this world of blogging that I want to share with you.
      It’s partly why I love history and partly why I taught…
      it’s not the type of story that one would imagine would have the outcome of moulding me into being an educator or even one who now writes…as that was never my strong suit…but it is a story of tough love and tenacity…something we don’t seem to find very often in our educational system or in our youth…but I thought you might enjoy it…

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